*** Log file opened: 7/29/2001 9:08:42 PM [21:12] gezz thatz one hell of a list [21:12] list of what [21:13] ppl that have access [21:14] all the gdn. [21:15] thats not even all of them. [21:16] GDN-R-Sparky [KULT@216.232.265794.141738] has joined #kultguardians [21:16] Shovel sets mode: +o GDN-R-Sparky [21:16] GDN-N_Romulus claps [21:16] ya [21:16] there u go [21:16] wait a nother 5 mins i guess for nodeal to come back from food [21:16] shitty turnout, but i sort of expected that. [21:17] ya [21:17] course i *would* like sean or smoke here just for a sense of legitimacy [21:17] yes [21:18] but, im personally about out of patience for waiting for certain holes to get filled up [21:18] so, at least those who are here can make an ounce of progress. [21:20] whohoo [21:20] back [21:20] wb [21:20] Beer and Chilli [21:20] nothin better [21:20] lol [21:20] except more beer [21:21] 4-14GDN-N_Romulus4- this is completely legit without either of them [21:21] i agree [21:21] GDN-G_Simplex [~marevalo@anon-242094.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com] has joined #kultguardians [21:21] Shovel sets mode: +o GDN-G_Simplex [21:21] howdy [21:21] hey Simplex [21:21] Hey. [21:22] ok.... the first thing is: the joining prossess [21:22] yup [21:22] ok [21:22] and what a colossal pain in the butt it is [21:22] im going to make a .htm file from this [21:23] what is left to decide. do we need to put some kind of protection on the kwestionair? [21:23] What about our roster, is it cleaned up yet? [21:23] hold on simplex pls [21:23] Ok [21:23] currently [21:24] we don't have a policy for how to actually approve new bloods and/or post new blood to the kult site [21:24] if that is even necessary anymore [21:24] posting of new blood yes [21:24] What say ye? New Blood posts on thekult.org? Yay or Nay>? [21:24] GDN-P_N0DeaL thinks we should keep doing it as well. [21:24] i believe that we more or less agreed that the gdns of the klan being joined would choose to accept new blood. [21:24] i say yes new bloods should be on site [21:24] it gets alot of feed bac [21:24] new bloods should be on site unless they ask not to be. [21:24] if nothing else lets keep all members on the main page [21:25] I think yyou should be able to unlist yourself [21:25] but a complete roster shouldbe kept ina more secure place [21:25] like NIDUS [21:25] 3(15GDN-N_Romulus3) sounds good to me ...but who do we tell [21:25] i would suggest adding a checkbox to the kwestionair -- "If accepted, do you want your membership to be publicly announced?" [21:26] good call Rom [21:26] the new blood announcements can be done via a weekly post to thekult.org by anyone. [21:26] ok .. on my todo list [21:26] we can announce new blood first in the guardians kbbs as we approve them, then collect those at the end of the week and someone can post. [21:26] nw then we have more subcetions if we lump them all into gether then it would be easyer [21:27] sounds good [21:27] so we just gonna start a new thread for each applicant? [21:27] yes [21:27] Or maybe we should have a new "newblood" forum in KBBS [21:27] it doesnt matter, really. [21:27] i could do that [21:27] its not like guardians kbbs is terribly crowded. :) [21:27] so every one can meat them [21:28] keep the GDN forum less cluttered [21:28] so you ppl want a new bbs ? [21:28] okay [21:28] we could do that too. announce all newblood on nidus internally, then post a weekly public notice to thekult.org if we want. [21:28] I say new forum [21:28] on a new forum i mean [21:28] yeah [21:28] we will announce newblood in NIDUS [21:28] always [21:28] right [21:28] kool [21:28] sounds good [21:29] do we still want to put them on thekult.org then if we have this forum? [21:29] i mean, a weekly announcement. [21:29] Yep [21:29] ok [21:29] that is what the chek box is for [21:29] i dont like the check box to many subcetions [21:29] i cant spell [21:29] hmm? [21:30] it [21:30] subsections [21:30] all the checkbox does is tell the GDN that s approving you that you don't want to be publicly listed or announced as a meber. [21:30] it's just to opt out of being accnounced on thekult.org [21:30] also, we need to go through the kwestionair and disgard/add some questions [21:30] yes [21:30] yes [21:31] but first do we know how exactly we are giong to administer the kwestionair? [21:31] no then we will have two sets for kult memebers one who checked and ones that didn't [21:31] www.thenidus.net/x.php [21:31] put a password in front of it? [21:31] there should be a password [21:31] IMHO [21:31] sparky: all new blood will be announced on nidus, but not all will be announced or listed on thekult.org [21:31] so we don't get spammed if the address were to get out. [21:31] the division will only be a cosmetic effect on thekult.org [21:31] okay thats kool i thought u ment both [21:31] nope [21:32] im down with that then [21:32] Alright! Progress, I'm loving it. [21:32] yay [21:32] yipie [21:33] any thoughts on how to implement the password? how will we make it available? give it out to kult members? [21:33] Just post it in the GDN forum [21:33] change it every so often [21:33] if people want to refer a new member [21:33] actually we could post it in the general forum' [21:34] or right under #thekult password [21:34] why just in the form we should give it to every one [21:34] ya that a good place [21:34] GDN-P_Smokehouse [KULT@anon-72749.peoria1.il.home.com] has joined #kultguardians [21:34] Shovel sets mode: +o GDN-P_Smokehouse [21:34] hey Smokey [21:34] aha [21:34] i wont be able to make it .. untill i get to cali [21:34] P_Zerstorer [ksx@anon-280073.z064002061.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net] has joined #kultguardians [21:34] Shovel sets mode: +o P_Zerstorer [21:34] that's fine dude. [21:34] im to bz with the new kult site [21:34] well goddamnit [21:34] welcome zers [21:34] im thinking we can give this out to all members, since they need to refer ppl anyway [21:34] hi all [21:34] K [21:34] no need for them to have to go through us. [21:34] ya [21:34] so it'll be posted in NIDUS [21:34] good to see you guys do stuff on your own :) [21:35] under the #thekult key [21:35] so, same method as #thekult pw i guess [21:35] yes [21:35] groovy. [21:35] ... whats going on ? ah hell [21:35] hi smoke :) we are finalizing the newblood procedure [21:35] 4-14P_Zerstorer4- like Rom said. [21:35] I've got an applicant for prophets btw [21:35] well, another. [21:35] Ah... ok [21:36] ah [21:36] As for approving members, we pretty much agreed that the gdn(s) of the klan will decide how to do it amongst themselves. [21:36] that brings us to our next point about newblood [21:36] I was eating [21:36] I dunno dude [21:36] I am in favor of an interview process, so I will probably be doing that myself. [21:36] some GDN's don't even talk to each other... ;) [21:36] well :) i wouldnt know how that works :) [21:36] some are hard to contact. [21:36] thats because I cant stand any of you :) [21:36] oh well [21:36] So I would just get together with the prophet GDNs aadn we'd decide? [21:36] different for each Klan? [21:37] pretty much [21:37] Might be a little confusing [21:37] well... we didnt seem to be able to agree on what sort of scrutiny was needed. [21:37] but at the same time gives more flavor to each klan [21:37] Some think the kwest is enough, i disagree, etc. [21:37] ususally effort is key [21:37] well.... i could just make the questionair post to a diff bbs [21:37] the GDN's of each klan will intreview and go from there [21:37] insted of emailing [21:37] That'd be good actually [21:37] post to the new blood forum [21:38] accessable to GDNs only obviously. [21:38] I've seen some questionares where no effort was given [21:38] yes [21:38] no.... a different forum would be needed. [21:38] yes rom [21:38] because new blood will be public. [21:38] now ... will all the GDNs of that klan have to unanimously accept teh applicant or what? [21:38] GDN-N_Romulus shrugs [21:38] we cant even contact all the gns of one clan [21:38] new blood won't be public. [21:38] and the houngans dont have a gdn [21:39] hold on... i thought we said that the newblood forum on nidus would be for announcing new blood to everyone. [21:39] one new blood forum... wheere the applcations are posted, as the start of a new thread [21:39] i must a been wrong [21:39] any discussionby the GDNs regarding the applicant could happen under that thread [21:39] i say we set a number of gdn;s say five if you get five to say yes thats enough [21:39] new bloodwill be announced in the general forum in NIDUS [21:39] stop saying new blood forum its New Blood BBS [21:39] ;) [21:39] I'm just watching you guys [21:39] i think you run the risk of having the same 5 GDN make admission decisions. [21:39] oh jesus echo [21:39] whats the difference, echo ? [21:40] big [21:40] a forum is a place where things are discussed dude. [21:40] ;) [21:40] who cares what its called [21:40] okay okay get over it [21:40] we get the picture. [21:40] knight, i think you run the risk of having the same 5 GDN make admission decisions. [21:40] rom then whos fault is that if gfn;s wont respond yes or no [21:40] this is to much ...just put at the top of the questionair a list of klans and if they pick ronin the the thing is emailed to all the ronin GDN [21:40] focus on the point [21:40] can you do that? [21:40] knight: ours, for giving those people responsibility that they apparently dont want. [21:40] that works a lot easier i think, yes sparky [21:41] what about hougan [21:41] GDN-G_Simplex [~marevalo@anon-242094.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com] has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [21:41] thats gonna be next on the agenda knight [21:41] that way when i decied that i want a person to be a ronin i can post it to the new bloods and then we can go from there [21:41] afk [21:42] fuck ether we pick someone your ill do it [21:42] it seems to me that, if no GDN of a klan opposes a new blood, it goes as long as someone OKs it. if a GDN opposes, i guess it doesnt go. [21:42] whichever way you guys decide to do it is fine with me really. [21:42] that is, a gdn in that klan. [21:42] sound good [21:42] If I see somebody I dont like, I tend to say so. [21:42] :) [21:42] as i sadi what about houngan [21:42] fuck ether we pick someone your ill do it [21:42] how do we make new gdns ? [21:43] so if one GDN in a klan says OK, its up to the other GDN to say "no." if they oppose. Otherwise, take a little time to approve, say a week, and it goes through. Bam new blood. [21:43] no gdn for them we have to address that before make rules as to how this is gonna go [21:43] well we have to find someone that can do it [21:43] zer: we more or less have to do the same thing [21:43] houngans? [21:43] shadoweyes ? he seems willing [21:43] ok [21:43] I can sweet talk enki [21:43] do we have the new blood process figured out and agreed to in here? [21:43] shadoweyes might be up for the job [21:43] does enki want back in? [21:43] I think he might [21:43] well [21:44] I'll talk to him [21:44] wait wait [21:44] he would be a candidate if he does [21:44] yeah nnight? [21:44] enki wants back in? [21:44] blah [21:44] back [21:44] oh if he;s come back, he will be [21:44] y are we letting people back in [21:44] enki is an FOK [21:44] Enki owns dude [21:44] i thought once out always oput [21:44] Shadoweyes is ok in my book [21:44] he never fought [21:44] i never said he did [21:44] besides his history with the org is pretty illustrious. [21:44] he is good GDN material from everything I have seen and heard from him [21:44] and he gave us a monster load of bandwidth [21:45] knight: you do have a point. [21:45] knight: I guess we would have to agree on that sort of thing, individually. [21:45] Enki wants back? [21:45] ya thats the way i see it [21:45] I say enki is a good guy and i'd let him back in. [21:45] okay [21:45] your out your out sorry [21:45] hold on [21:45] we dont even know if he wants back in. [21:45] thoughs were the rules [21:45] I dont know if he wants back in, I think he just said he'd help out [21:45] i think the resistance coming from the ronin is pretty strong though. [21:46] heh [21:46] Fuck em [21:46] the people that left that is [21:46] not the ronin's [21:46] GDN-P_N0DeaL cowers in fear. [21:46] well, okay.... in that case smoke, i dont think he should be approving new members. [21:46] lol [21:46] gdn-R_s: we could talk rules [21:46] I nominate Shadoweyes fro GDN. [21:46] we could give shadoeyes guardianship and let him do it [21:46] GDN-R-Sparky got nothen but love [21:46] I personally would be hard pressed to say to enki Fuck you you dont get back in, knowing his history with the org. [21:46] He left for reasons of personal security as i understand. [21:47] for GDN [21:47] Enki yeah he did [21:47] I need to talk to him anyway [21:47] rom all i am saying that if exception is made here when does it stop [21:47] anyone care to second my nomination? [21:47] yes, you have a point. [21:47] 3(15GDN-P_Smokehouse3) hu? [21:47] people have said they left and come back before [21:47] i like enki alot talked with him and gouth alot [21:47] zer is right. matrix for example [21:47] KULTRadio is mysteriously broken [21:47] n0deal i do [21:47] its not like this has been enforced at all [21:48] its enforced to a degree [21:48] i think if you asked sean, he would step in and let enki back in. IF enki even wants back in. [21:48] But enught about that. [21:48] but dont get ahead of yourselves [21:48] K [21:48] Enki is a non issue here [21:48] agree [21:48] d [21:48] not important... if he wants back in, we'll address it when he does [21:48] We're done on newblood procedure? Leaving it up to the GDN, if one OKs and no objections, they get in? [21:48] as for shadoweyes ? [21:48] yes nodeal [21:48] Current Kwestion; Shadoweyes for GDN, yes or no? [21:49] no [21:49] yes [21:49] TK and I say yes [21:49] I think we need to slack off on the GDN Nominations [21:49] 4-14GDN-P_Smokehouse4- there are no houngan GDNs [21:49] which is why we need one [21:49] the void must be filled. [21:49] We need a houngan GDN [21:49] shadoweyes seems willing [21:49] i havent even had a chance to talk to him [21:49] other than that i agree with you smoke [21:50] "The void must be filled" [21:50] take it to rantradio :P [21:50] no [21:50] how biblical is that? [21:50] :) [21:50] sorry that was directed at smoke who appeared to be making a dirty innuendo [21:50] Ok.. a simple yes or no answer will suffice gentlemen [21:50] im not opposed nodeal. [21:51] maybe we should ask him first; shadoweyes that is [21:51] lets go through then. approving nomination for shadoweyes as houngan gdn. [21:51] Lets approve him first, then ask him. [21:51] ok i made a post in the BBS [21:51] ya that my me an idea [21:51] echo: psot on what? [21:51] shadoweyes [21:51] I'm not oppsed all that much either...its just that we need to make sure we dont end up with more GDNs then members [21:51] that was a bit premature [21:52] oh, ok. [21:52] 4-14GDN-P_Smokehouse4- agreed [21:52] lol [21:52] okay [21:52] we gonan vote for SE in NIDUS? [21:52] or just do it here? [21:52] i think we need to do an orderly vote. [21:52] K [21:52] here it is. [21:52] I mean we arent exactly open armed anymore. :) [21:52] well, lets vote here, leave it up to ppl to objkect in nidus [21:52] Say yes or no [21:52] yes no or dont care [21:52] Yes [21:52] yes [21:52] yes [21:53] yes. but this is that last one for a while [21:53] i would like to talk to the guy first [21:53] amen [21:53] 4-14GDN-G_MrEcho4- but you're bad at talking to people :) [21:53] ok. [21:53] hey no [21:53] w [21:53] Ok [21:53] rofl [21:53] its on hold then i guess [21:53] here is the solution guys [21:53] Sparky and Echo [21:54] ya [21:54] get in contact with SE and talk to him [21:54] he's pretty damned cool. [21:54] if you want to talk to him... i recommend dont let him know that you are talking to him because he is up for gdn [21:54] exactally [21:54] ya i know [21:54] just talk to him. [21:54] well its in nidus [21:54] okay, well well put it on hold until echo and sparky have enough to make a decision [21:54] no [21:54] thank u [21:54] smoke: no what? [21:54] make sure you talk to him [21:55] kool [21:55] Ok... then, we'd like to hear your guys opinions by the middle of the week [21:55] that sound reasonable? [21:55] yes [21:55] post in NIDUS [21:55] how long do we want to wait on responses on this? [21:55] a week? [21:55] I want to make sure I dont hear any excuses like "well its in nidus" [21:55] middle of week, ok [21:55] ill ims the guy today [21:55] smoke: excuses? [21:56] So by Thursday morning at the latest [21:56] the post just askes for gdn opinion on the matter [21:56] 0excuses 3(15GDN-P_Smokehouse3) [21:56] ? [21:56] Edit the post, and they only have to reply if they say no. [21:57] I would recommend Wednesday midnight EST, so we have time to notify shadoweyes, and have time to make a new plan if he declines. [21:57] GDN-R-Sparky [KULT@216.232.265794.141738] has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:57] Alrighty [21:57] done and done [21:58] so... as far as new blood goes... each Klan will decide on their own what the approval process will be? [21:58] nodeal: basically [21:58] we should set a deadline for that as well [21:58] say end of the week? [21:58] GDN-R-Sparky [KULT@216.232.265794.141738] has joined #kultguardians [21:58] Shovel sets mode: +o GDN-R-Sparky [21:59] what did i miss [21:59] deadline for what? [21:59] not much sparky [21:59] So it's the responsibility of teh GDNs here to get in contact with your fellow Klan Guardians to decide who your Klan will approve new blood. [21:59] by the end of this week [22:00] Well, I'd say you can't start approving new blood until you have managed to figure out how you will decide new blood for your klan. [22:00] Yeah [22:00] Whenever you get there, start in on it. [22:00] we need to set a deadline though [22:00] or it'l never get done. [22:00] sounds good to me [22:00] ill see if i can make the new BBS and make a password thing for the quest. [22:00] 1 week [22:00] Well, i guess if you dont here from all GDN in your klan by end of week, you go with those that have discussed it. [22:00] we also need to make sure that the applications that are curently out there get processed. [22:01] like the data havens [22:01] 4-14GDN-N_Romulus4- agreed [22:01] yes, i still have the two i got, i followed up on them once but didnt get responses [22:01]